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PuddleJumper
07-06-2009, 08:18 AM
So i need to change the gears in the sammis divorced T-case. I have bought the gears, seals and bearing kit and believe i am ready to do the swap. I have read the instructions on how to do it and it looks fairly simple, but i would rather do it with someone that has expierence in changing gears, not to mention i dont have a press. Any help is appreciated.

and yes i know.... a cage will be in the future!:)

roxyrubi
07-06-2009, 09:19 AM
I'm no help with this at all but i would really love to come watch if a clinic is in order. I don't know anything about gears and would like to learn :D

Mowillys
07-06-2009, 09:37 AM
I'm not much help in the T-case experience dept, but I do have a press if needed.

Holler

:pirate1:

Jeepster
07-06-2009, 09:47 AM
How quickly do you need this?

I have a lot of stuff going on but would be happy to help.

I have a press and should have all the tools needed.
Bench space is my issue but I can clean something off to have a place to work.

This Saturday Morning is a good time. Say 9am

pm if you need directions.
Anyone who wants to help is welcome.

NOTE LOCATION CHANGED TO DERIKS HOUSE.

Oscello
07-06-2009, 10:57 AM
I would also be interested in seeing the process/helping. i know a little but not enough to trust myself to do it.

PuddleJumper
07-06-2009, 11:22 AM
How quickly do you need this?
I have a press and should have all the tools needed.
Bench space is my issue but I can clean something off to have a place to work.

This Saturday Morning is a good time. Say 9am


the tools are pretty basic except for the larger mm sockets required. i can borrow them from my father if needed. And i have one of those 6ft plastic fold out tables thats pretty sturdy that i can bring if needed.

And saturday @ 9am would be great for me. I can even bring you some breakfast.:cheers:

PuddleJumper
07-06-2009, 11:28 AM
BTW for anyone that wants to watch/help, the sami t-case is a fully geared t-case, and is probably one of the easiest to learn about gear reduction in a t-case.

here is the install instructions.http://www.trail-gear.com/tech/zuk65gears/index.html

Jeepster
07-06-2009, 12:51 PM
Okay it sounds like the clinic is on.
Come on down. Saturday 9am.

Breakfast would be nice.

I have a 1 1/16" socket. I don't know about the 28mm.
Everything else I have.

PuddleJumper
07-06-2009, 02:08 PM
Breakfast would be nice.

I have a 1 1/16" socket. I don't know about the 28mm.
Everything else I have.

You name what you want ill get it!

as for the 28mm i can borrow one from my father.

appreciate all the help!

Mowillys
07-06-2009, 07:48 PM
I wonder if that old CJ7 rollbar would fit in a Sammi???

:eyes:

PuddleJumper
07-06-2009, 10:56 PM
I wonder if that old CJ7 rollbar would fit in a Sammi???

:eyes:

are you talking about the stock cj roll bar? because the sami does have a stock roll bar in it now, not sure how much more protection it would give. not to mention trying to fit it in.

djsthe1
07-06-2009, 11:17 PM
Won't be able to make the build (unless I just swing by with me daughter) but I do have a YJ sport cage if you wanna cut it up to use for the sammi?

Gunny
07-07-2009, 07:05 AM
Won't be able to make the build (unless I just swing by with me daughter) but I do have a YJ sport cage if you wanna cut it up to use for the sammi?
Don't give him any idea's. The way he drives, he needs a ROLL CAGE, not a sport bar. This will be continued in another post.
I'm out.

PuddleJumper
07-07-2009, 07:28 AM
gunnys right, i really need a roll cage with the way i drive. If i put a sport bar in my sami (which it already has one) it might last one roll over... but doubtfull. So i need to at some point layout how i want to put the cage in. until then..........:eek:


but thanks for the offer:cheers:

Jeepster
07-08-2009, 09:50 PM
Note:
Change in Location
Now at Derik's house Saturday Morning 9am.

PuddleJumper
07-13-2009, 07:58 AM
Update:

Big thanks to Dion, Derrick,Mark, and Dan for helping me Sat. As much as i would like to say everything went smoothly, im sure everyone knows that it never does! there wasnt as much cursing as i thought there would be so im happy about that one (patience must come with age.....as well as a taste for corona and doughnuts at 9am?!). The breakdown took a little work, and cleaning the case and parts was deffinitly the biggest job. come to find out that i had a broken shaft which needs to be replaced. so thinking i could use my extra T-case, i ran home to grab that one. low and behold that the previous owner of the case had welded the slip gear collar to the gear/shaft. :gonnablow: so now i need to purchase a new shaft. I am also at the point of needing a bearing(whats left of it) machined out of the main shaft. I have to give a hand to those guys! for as long as they tried to get the bearing out, it would not come no matter what they tried. :cheers:

but all in all it was a good day, everything that could be done was and i am just that much closer to getting the sami out on the trail

PuddleJumper
07-13-2009, 10:56 AM
oh and Dion if you wouldnt mind posting those before pics of the t-case. :cheers:

PuddleJumper
07-15-2009, 02:32 PM
Update:

Got the bearing (or what was left of it) out of the main shaft. took it to John Edwards and he said because of the steel he couldnt machine it out unless it was with a diamond tipped bit. so he instead used an oxy/acet torch. he got it out and put the new one in. I lubed her up and it seems to spin alright. so i guess the next step is to press the gear and bearings on. Ordering the new Input shaft today.

Jeepster
07-15-2009, 02:44 PM
Glad to hear.

I'll post the pictures when I get a chance.

Jeepster
07-15-2009, 08:40 PM
Here are the pictures from the Tear down.
shutterfly pictures TCASE (http://jeepster.shutterfly.com/158)

PuddleJumper
07-16-2009, 08:27 AM
Here are the pictures from the Tear down.
shutterfly pictures TCASE (http://jeepster.shutterfly.com/158)

It really wasnt as bad as it looks...:bs:

I was/am going to call Derrick today to see if its cool if i stop by after work to press the gears on the main shaft. not sure if I'll have time to finish the assembly tonight. Might go help david (oscello) put his nice new gas tank skid on.

Jeepster
07-16-2009, 08:43 AM
It really wasnt as bad as it looks...:bs:



Oh you think so. I was there. Pictures Never do it Justice. It was bad.

DieselDent
07-16-2009, 09:19 AM
You got it backwards the mud goes on the out side and the oil inside :boxing:

PuddleJumper
07-16-2009, 09:22 AM
You got it backwards the mud goes on the out side and the oil inside :boxing:

:doh: I knew i mixed something up! :roflmao:

PuddleJumper
07-16-2009, 09:27 AM
But hey i have to give it to suzuki, thats a tough little T-case. for as long and hard as i rode with it like that, even with a broken shaft and all it still ran! im impressed.

With as much money as I have in it right now though, I dont think ill be doing that again. breather hoses will be used.

and In the words of Dan "If it aint leakin, Its empty" :roflmao:

PuddleJumper
07-17-2009, 11:31 AM
Update: (im really just want to say DONE... but im not there yet) So went over Deriks last night to press together the fixed main shaft. got about 1/3 of the way through when the next piece up was a bearing keeper or in the sami world.. only known as a "collar" according to the guy at low range. anyway after about an hr of looking for this damn thing and Derik kept saying "well it worked nicely as a washer for my ram" (jokingly.....i think :roflmao: i didnt check), we couldnt find it. so had to order one from sean at lowrange in CA. so i guess i am waiting till next week.

OH and the great part about this.. I have $792.33 in this case. . . and it costs around $935 for you to send them your case and they do all the work and send it back within a couple weeks. . .

HarrisonBB
07-20-2009, 07:33 AM
But think about all that hard work and experience you gained in the process ... priceless!

PuddleJumper
07-20-2009, 09:02 AM
But think about all that hard work and experience you gained in the process ... priceless!

Dont forget frustration as well! :roflmao:......its really not funny:mad:

Jeepster
07-20-2009, 09:56 AM
It's fun for the rest of us thou.

PuddleJumper
07-21-2009, 07:42 AM
It's fun for the rest of us thou.

:talk: yea yea yea... i remember this part of the clinic... i think its when yall grabbed your chairs, put them in a semi circle outside and watched me clean all the CRAP out of the case, while I was getting soaked in the process.....it really did it when i saw the beers in one hand and the doughnuts in the other:roflmao:

SMIB_OFFROAD
07-21-2009, 12:04 PM
Hey I got parts if you guys need some. I sold your buddy the other sammi.

PuddleJumper
07-21-2009, 01:39 PM
Hey I got parts if you guys need some. I sold your buddy the other sammi.

where were you last week man!?! LOL could have called you last week, but i already bought the new parts needed. Got the updated output shaft in last night. more then likely the collar (bearing holder) in today. then hopefully head on over deriks tmrw.

Thanks for the offer tho!:cheers:

SMIB_OFFROAD
07-21-2009, 02:47 PM
it takes about hour to do the swap usually but sounds like you guys had plenty of problems---jeep guys working on a sammi-- :roflmao: ya but if ya need any more parts let me know i probably got it

PuddleJumper
07-21-2009, 04:20 PM
it takes about hour to do the swap usually but sounds like you guys had plenty of problems---jeep guys working on a sammi-- :roflmao: ya but if ya need any more parts let me know i probably got it

An hour?!?! and "had" problems?... the case aint together yet:butthead:And trust me... I dont think anyone could have done this T-case in an hour. . . at least not correctly.

Jeepster
07-21-2009, 04:48 PM
An hour?!?! and "had" problems?... the case aint together yet:butthead:And trust me... I dont think anyone could have done this T-case in an hour. . . at least not correctly.

Here are the pictures from the Tear down.
shutterfly pictures TCASE (http://jeepster.shutterfly.com/158)

If you look at the pictures.
This case was GLUED together and Everything in it was Clued together with Mud/oil sludge.
It was harder than usual to get things apart and other things were already broken when we got in there.
Especially Bearings.

SMIB_OFFROAD
07-21-2009, 09:21 PM
Yup bout an hour but I have done a few. Like the man said yours was glued and they are all different when you start working on them. Did you get all your parts? By the way what ratio gears did you get.? Plus if you do them too quick you dont have a reason to drink beer.:cheers:

PuddleJumper
07-22-2009, 07:33 AM
Yup bout an hour but I have done a few. Like the man said yours was glued and they are all different when you start working on them. Did you get all your parts? By the way what ratio gears did you get.? Plus if you do them too quick you dont have a reason to drink beer.:cheers:

There was no beer for me. . . I must not be used to this whole Beer and doughnuts at 9am thing yet:roflmao: And the last little piece im waiting on (which happens to be the next step) is the bearing collar. once that comes in i can finish her up. and i got 6.5:1

Slow Poke
07-22-2009, 11:06 AM
I could go for a cold corona right now...

PuddleJumper
07-28-2009, 07:29 AM
Update: . . . F#*%ing S*&% Bleepity Bleep!! :gonnablow:

Jeepster
07-28-2009, 07:54 AM
let me Guess there is problem with the input Gear and Bearing slop?

PuddleJumper
07-28-2009, 09:28 AM
let me Guess there is problem with the input Gear and Bearing slop?

No. Its bearing slope in the rear output shaft. The problem is with the directions!! The directions stated that there was a "large" and "small" bearing. come to find out. there is actualy 3 different size bearings. the two smaller bearings are just slightly different. and when i mean slightly you have to look pretty hard. well that slightly i guess gives it enough room to wiggle side to side... and the directions never said anything about clip rings. you have to guess which one goes where.. some go on the bearings, some go in the housing... this thing has been a PITA.

the good news is Ive taken apart and reassembled this case so many times i can visuallize putting it together. bad news is in doing so i need a new gasket. well they use paper gaskets. so derik and I were thinking just a couple bucks and run up to the auto parts store and pick it up... well that works just about as well as if Dan(sloroco) went up there and asked for something. apparently the auto parts store doesnt sell those gaskets for my sami because its not a common vehicle. nor can they get them. and the only way ive found to buy them online is with the seals for $40!!:mad: and im sure it only costs about 12cents to make:gonnablow:

:butthead:

I guess i just have to buy the whole kit and ill have seals just in case.

PuddleJumper
07-28-2009, 10:03 AM
So looking up how much a gasket would be to just get it here total were looking at about $50 for two paper gaskets. Isnt there a "kit" that you can buy for a couple bucks and cut your own gasket? or should i just suck it up and spend another $50 in this case?!!

kevin
07-28-2009, 10:40 AM
isn't there a liquid gasket product that comes in a tube like silicon?

Just a thought.

PuddleJumper
07-28-2009, 11:14 AM
isn't there a liquid gasket product that comes in a tube like silicon?

Just a thought.

Ive thought about that too... anyone have expierence with this stuff and alluminum cases?

Jeepster
07-28-2009, 11:29 AM
I use RTV. It works great with Aluminium.
You don't need the high heat stuff.

But Black or red or blue should work fine.

NP-231's are aluminum and RTV works great with them.

PuddleJumper
07-28-2009, 12:23 PM
ok... with that being said how many people think it would be alright to just use the permatrex? I want honest opinions. I mean I am willing to spend the $50 bucks if i need the paper seals, but if i do not need them i would rather not.

anyone? show of hands...dont be shy.

PuddleJumper
07-28-2009, 12:55 PM
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Atlas_input_swap/

so i found this thread on building an atlas. if you scroll down about a third of the way where they start to assemble the case, they use whats called "Locktite 518 Anaerobic Gasket Maker". anyone use this before? know about it? im starting to think that if this stuff is good enough for an atlas, it would be good enough for the little sami case.

Opinions please... wheres my main posters and mechs... Derik? gunny? Dan? tom? Dion? etc. etc.

sam025
07-28-2009, 02:44 PM
Where did you try and get the gasket? I have had luck with Guy's Napa in Clements 301-769-3311 in finding the hard to find little stuff when I did the engine/tranny swap in the CJ. Not sure if it will help but may be worth a try.

Having not looked at how things are set up in the case, my only question with using the silicone as opposed to the gasket would be the general thickness of the gasket, if that would act as some sort of shim and that the silicone wouldn't provide that uniform level area. No idea, but something to think about.

Jeepster
07-28-2009, 02:57 PM
Looks good to me.
Summit link for stuff is "anaerobic" gasket
loc tight gasket (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/LCT-37394/)

What I usually use is more like.:Loctite 37469 - Loctite RTV Red Silicone Gasket Maker

The only difference is how they cure. the "anaerobic" gasket cures in the absence of air.

Oh and price. about $3 for what I buy.
about $8 for the Anaerobic stuff.

PuddleJumper
07-28-2009, 03:16 PM
well $8 is still a heck of a lot better then $50! LOL

and the gasket is a real thin paper gasket. I went to advanced earlier today and there gasket paper that you can make your own gasket from is about twice as thick as what they supply.

I called Trail Gear the makers of the gears. they told me they dont even use the gaskets when they build there cases. they say they stick with Ultra Grey Permatrex Silicone Gasket Maker.

I call Napa though. But i doubt they'll have it.

I guess the question now would be do i go with the ultra grey (which is what im leaning towards. We use this on a lot of marine stuff and a lot of the guys swear by it) or do i go with the Loctite... any preference?

Jeepster
07-28-2009, 03:53 PM
If you already have the ultra gray. Go with it.

SMIB_OFFROAD
07-28-2009, 04:39 PM
Use the RTV it will be fine. I would let it set up before I added oil.

ehall
07-28-2009, 10:07 PM
the np rebuilds I've read have all used red but those guys are all anal obsessive and I imagine grey would be fine

let it film up for 30 minutes before clamping it down and then let it set overnight before filling with fluids

PuddleJumper
07-28-2009, 10:47 PM
well.. the case was completed. everything seems to shift fine and low gear i can already tell is going to be SWEET!

ended up using the ultra grey and giving it a nice thick even coat. didnt let it sit for 30 min but it was about 10 in front of a fan. seemed to have a nice tacky feel to it.

tmrw Derik and i plan to beef up the transfer case cross member that always seems to twist. already have done one with the stock gears.

A big thanks goes out to the guys who helped with this, and a HUGE thanks goes out to Derik.

Tom
07-28-2009, 11:02 PM
Good deal. Time to wheel it.

slorocco
07-29-2009, 07:35 AM
I hope you didn't seal it up too good.

If it doesn't leak and drip on your driveway, you're not going to know when its empty and you need to add oil.

You may actually have to waste valuable time checking the oil now. :eek:

PuddleJumper
07-29-2009, 07:43 AM
I hope you didn't seal it up too good.

If it doesn't leak and drip on your driveway, you're not going to know when its empty and you need to add oil.

You may actually have to waste valuable time checking the oil now. :eek:

I thought about that! before i could have just peeked under there and made sure i had a spot.. now i'll have to crawl all the way under with a whole tool and get my little finger dirty.....dang!:roflmao:

dont worry im sure my engine still does this!:roflmao:

DaffyXJ
07-29-2009, 01:34 PM
Austin did a really good job over all on this mod. With the number of times the case came apart and went back together, I nominate him the club T-Case Specialist.

If you need T-Case assistance or call a Clinic for T-case related issues, Puddle Jumper is one you want there. With a portable press and some RTV, he would be unstoppable. :roflmao:

Seriously, if you saw the condition of the transfer case he started with and the finished product, you too would be impressed. Nicely done.

Derik

slorocco
07-29-2009, 04:01 PM
Austin did a really good job over all on this mod. With the number of times the case came apart and went back together, I nominate him the club T-Case Specialist.

If you need T-Case assistance or call a Clinic for T-case related issues, Puddle Jumper is one you want there. With a portable press and some RTV, he would be unstoppable. :roflmao:

Seriously, if you saw the condition of the transfer case he started with and the finished product, you too would be impressed. Nicely done.

Derik

He gets my vote... Pending OPEVAL test results.

ehall
07-29-2009, 04:47 PM
Austin did a really good job over all on this mod. With the number of times the case came apart and went back together, I nominate him the club T-Case Specialist.
if it's got gears you'll always be the go-to guy, Derik

nice try tho

PuddleJumper
07-29-2009, 04:51 PM
if it's got gears you'll always be the go-to guy, Derik

nice try tho

X2:roflmao:

DaffyXJ
07-30-2009, 02:48 PM
Hey Austin, your cross member is completed and sitting on my table.

Derik

PuddleJumper
07-30-2009, 02:51 PM
Hey Austin, your cross member is completed and sitting on my table.

Derik

SWEET!!!:worship:P:)

thanks ill swing by after work.

PuddleJumper
07-30-2009, 10:48 PM
So another update:

Put the T-case back under the sami with the new beefed up bracket, new rubber mounts with full length bolts (suzuki had some weird half bolt design) and the $850 T-case all lookin sexy!!

went to go start her up...batteries dead... ok shes been sittin for about 3 weeks.. gave her a jump. started right up... went to wawa....OMG were the gears awsome... love the ride, actually could pull onto the highway and not take a full min to get up to speed (not joking)

went to wawa (in california)... wouldnt start back up...got a jump.. i was like ok not long enough to charge.. buddy wanted to go to arbys in the park, he said just go through the drive thru dont turn it off.. i was like ok thats fine...

(grinning because i was in a samurai passing slower cars then I) we were off to arbys, got there... in line... lights started to dim... kept reving up.. lights kept getting brighter every time i reved.... went to leave... dead...as a doornail... at 9:30 at night.....in the park.... awsome..

NEED NEW BATTERY.:butthead:

POWERW@GON
08-06-2009, 08:54 AM
the np rebuilds I've read have all used red but those guys are all anal obsessive and I imagine grey would be fine

let it film up for 30 minutes before clamping it down and then let it set overnight before filling with fluids

Thank you RTV specialist guy!:cheers:

PuddleJumper
08-17-2009, 09:52 AM
So i was doing the research and couldnt find anything to why my case wasnt working. A lot of people had the same problem but no one knew how to fix it. well david(oscello) did some research and i believe he found the solution.

they say that shimming the case is a big factor for the case to work, yet the directions from trail tough did not say so. heres the link as to why we think my case needs to be shimed. .

http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,24133.0.html

I guess i would like to call a clinic and request some help. Derik was kind enough to offer up his services and shop. as to all i have is a kitchen and a folding table. which would work, but probably not the best place. I have a caliper i can use but as to how to actually figure out how and where the shims go i wouldnt mind some help with.

Derik, you seem to be kind of the go to guy so far. any willingness to keep that up?

Jeepster
08-17-2009, 05:26 PM
Why not just build Twin sticks for it and be done.
Would take a lot less time than tearing the case apart, again.

Just a thought.

DieselDent
08-17-2009, 06:10 PM
Keep It Simple Stupid

twin stick it and be done

PuddleJumper
08-18-2009, 07:28 AM
because technically you cant do twin sticks with the detent ball in there, which it is so i technically have to take the case apart anyway. and if spacing is the issue, i do not want any grinding or popping. (which has occurred) so i would like to do case up right. if i spent that much money on something i would like to make it last. taking the case apart again isnt too big of a deal now that its clean! lol

DieselDent
08-18-2009, 07:38 AM
haha yeah you have to pull it out anyway to trade the sami in

PuddleJumper
08-18-2009, 07:53 AM
LOL possibly trade the sami in..but thats a crazy plan.. it might work, but i would miss the lil zuk. i would have to get another ASAP!!! but regardless. still need to fix the case!

PuddleJumper
08-28-2009, 02:34 PM
Just an update. . (i would like one to say update: finished... but i cant)

so heres the deal. we followed the directions Low range provided to the T. well come to find out the directions are really only 3/4 of what you need to complete the case. well in some searching and help from David i believe we found the problem of why the case slips out of 4wd. seems to be either shims or a third detent ball that needs to be in the case. (the instalation instructions state the case only has 2 detents balls) well because this case was taken apart by multiple people and multiple times i have to steal the detent ball and spring from my second case. (hopefully i wont have to crack that case open) I am very much hopeing and fairly confident that the case will be complete and dang near indestructable by saturday night.

wish me luck!

Bill Dodson
08-28-2009, 02:38 PM
LUCK! :cheers:

Jeepster
08-28-2009, 02:45 PM
Luck,

Oh and you should have had all 3 of the detents. I only pulled 1 of them but I was with you when you pulled the other 2. (in driveway from inside of case.)

Also with the rust that was on those. You should really put new one's in. Just a thought.

PuddleJumper
08-28-2009, 03:15 PM
well i am talking about the 3 detent balls. not the two that we saw were pulled plus the 4wd indicator ball... apparently there is 1 4wd indicator ball plus 3 detent balls, yet only two were put in (which is what the damn instructions said to do). And no one i have called carries them. Even Petroworks that sells individual gaskets and shims (which i bought) doesnt even sell them... sooo... looks like i will try to get the best three from the two cases.

Oscello
08-28-2009, 03:54 PM
try hawk strictly suzuki (http://www.hawksuzukiparts.com/main_parts_lj-and-sj-and-samurai.htm)
its not listed on their site but i know if you call they might be able to come up with something.

DieselDent
08-28-2009, 09:18 PM
See ya tomorrow we need to get this fixed to get you up to RC again.

PuddleJumper
09-04-2009, 08:56 AM
Update: ITS FINISHED!! P:)

This has been WAY to complicated for this little case. its amazing how the littlest things can cause huge problems. And ive learned if something says "everything you need" more then likely it isnt. starting with the directions only being about 3/4 of what should have been there...

but none the less its all together and put back in the sami. took it out on a couple good size tree stumps and a nice size ditch/hill climb in the front yard and really tried to pop it out of gear. seemed to run flawlessly. of course i wont tell for sure until i get it on the trail. pretty confident though!

ill post up some pics this weekend.:cheers:

slorocco
09-04-2009, 03:13 PM
Congratulations! :cheers: At this point you must be the resident club expert on T-Cases. When I blow the locking differntial in my transfer case I'm gonna come looking for you man.

PuddleJumper
09-06-2009, 02:43 PM
Update: gears work great. . . but im pretty sure i blew the engine..... :cry:

djsthe1
09-06-2009, 03:35 PM
If its not one thing its another.. Are you sure you don't have a Jeep?

slorocco
09-07-2009, 09:09 AM
Update: gears work great. . . but im pretty sure i blew the engine..... :cry:

:eek: You gotta be kidding, right? What happened?

PuddleJumper
09-07-2009, 11:46 AM
:eek: You gotta be kidding, right? What happened?

nope... i wish i was. my battery was died when i was doing a little test run and it wouldnt turn back over. (i just replaced this battery so it had to be the alternator) well i waited about 45min and it built up enough juice to start and get me to my buddys house. well i had to start it again and it was dead. so i pushed started it. well when it started it was idleing real high (extremly high) and blowing what looked like blue smoke (it was night by the time i got back to the house) reving real high and blue smoke makes me think i blew the rings.

Jeepster
09-07-2009, 01:36 PM
Things that make you say Hummmmm.

Toyota's still for sale.

slorocco
09-07-2009, 01:43 PM
Poor little guy just wants to be a diesel so it's gonna burn oil any way it can.:gag:

Tom
09-07-2009, 03:37 PM
Pick out a replacement motor, schedule a clinic and be back up and running in no time. At least before Turkey run.

PuddleJumper
09-07-2009, 08:56 PM
As much as i want to go to TR, not sure if i will have the funding to replace the motor by then.

I do know i would like to go bigger. The 22r yota motor is an option, but the one you have dion has the 4wd trans/t-case. i would like to keep my case i JUST rebuilt. so i need to find a 2wd engine. I would really like to go diesel but small diesel engines are so hard to find.

Tom
09-08-2009, 07:24 AM
Was it you that mentioned your trans is starting to go? Couldn't you use Dions entire driveline and just sell your T-case? Might be an easier route. Not sure how much length you have to work with in the sami though.

PuddleJumper
09-08-2009, 07:59 AM
I would really like to stick with my sami case especially since i just did those gears. i like the idea of a divorced t-case. plus the sami t-case is 6.5:1 and i think the yota case is what? 4:1? and i think i would have to modify the tunnel which i would rather not do. pluse the yota case is a chain drive i believe where as the sami case is fully geared.

Oscello
09-08-2009, 08:22 AM
Sucks to hear its blown up.
what are you thinking for the engine? are you sticking with the 22r or considering anything at this point?

Gunny
09-08-2009, 08:55 AM
You should just look around for a doner Sami.
Any replacement engine other than the stock size will require a lot of planning, and cash.

Jeepster
09-08-2009, 09:02 AM
You should just look around for a doner Sami.
Any replacement engine other than the stock size will require a lot of planning, and cash.

If money is that tight I agree with Gunny.
Even the sidekick engines too a lot of extra's to get them in.
Not major just stuff.

PuddleJumper
09-08-2009, 09:06 AM
well finding a "donor sami" is probably just as hard as finding a good engine to put in the sami. the only person i could think of that would have sami parts more or less a running sami engine would be david(smib_offroad..or something like that).

and i really would like to go diesel. i was looking into the 240D engine swap a guy is doing on zuwharrie. I know of one 240D in Leonardtown where the guy was trying to sell the whole car for like $500. but im not sure if the guy had it running or not. and i havent really seen any VW diesels for sale. to be honest im pretty much open to any small 2wd engine/trans combos to consider. i was just thinking a non turbo diesel because they are so simple.

Gunny
09-08-2009, 09:18 AM
Option 1: find a stock sami motor (Cheap-$$$) Check Ebay and savage yards.

Option 2: tear apart the motor you got and find out what went wrong and fix it. It may not be that bad. (Cheap-$$$)

Option 3: Save your pennies for the motor and adapters you want. Don't worry about making any trips for the next few months, or longer. Do it right the first time. ($,$$$)

DieselDent
09-08-2009, 11:08 AM
I'm going to vote for doing it right the first time. The way I see it why spend money on a engine (swap or rebuild) you want to replace eventually anyway for a more powerful engine. Take the sami down for the winter, get your self the MB engine + trans, toyota axles and what not together and start next year with a very capable rig.

PuddleJumper
09-08-2009, 11:31 AM
I'm going to vote for doing it right the first time. The way I see it why spend money on a engine (swap or rebuild) you want to replace eventually anyway for a more powerful engine. Take the sami down for the winter, get your self the MB engine + trans, toyota axles and what not together and start next year with a very capable rig.

this was all per our emails earlier this morning:cheers:

Turkey Run:bawl: any one have an open seat?:)

DieselDent
09-08-2009, 12:43 PM
O yeah and build a cage :roflmao:

slorocco
09-08-2009, 04:47 PM
Hey man, can't vouch for the motor or quality of the rebuild but the price is right.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-Diesel-Engine-1-6-L-Rebuilt_W0QQitemZ280392264967QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMo tors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4148ae6d 07&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

ehall
09-08-2009, 09:28 PM
Have you determined the problem yet? IE, have you done compression tests, checked combustion gasses in coolant, etc? That would be the first thing... It might not be as bad as all that.

PuddleJumper
09-09-2009, 07:20 AM
Have you determined the problem yet? IE, have you done compression tests, checked combustion gasses in coolant, etc? That would be the first thing... It might not be as bad as all that.

I have not. . im just guessing this is what happened. havent had time to mess with it since it took the fall. Im more then willing to let someone else take a look at it if they would like?! who are the mechs in the club? i pay in :cheers:

FollowTheBlackRabbit
09-09-2009, 08:19 AM
for non-turbo VW diesels, check VWvortex classifieds or TDIclub classifieds...

I have a bare 1.6d block that you can have...

I also have a known good 1.6d head and a bunch of peripherals for it...

unfortunately i sold my IP, and some of my duplicate peripherals...

I got a drop in swap off a guy on the vortex a few years ago for 250... they are around...

slorocco
09-09-2009, 09:27 AM
Hey Austin, as much as I'd love to see another oil burner on the trails, Gunny hit the nail on the head. If $$ is limited, fixing your current motor is probably going to be the cheapest way as well as the least amount of work to do.

If you suspect rings, do a simple compression test or leakdown test and see what's what. Then go from there.

DieselDent
09-09-2009, 09:43 AM
Im brining the tools down tonight to test compression and what not :cheers:

HarrisonBB
09-09-2009, 03:27 PM
Option 1: find a stock sami motor (Cheap-$$$) Check Ebay and savage yards.

... Maybe (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/1365421057.html) ... Might be able to negotiate this down and it's not too far away ...

PuddleJumper
09-09-2009, 03:47 PM
... Maybe (http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/1365421057.html) ... Might be able to negotiate this down and it's not too far away ...

for $1100 i would purchase yota axles, a diesel engine, and a new winch. thanks though... that body looks good though! wouldnt be a horrible price on a zuk if it had a title.

slorocco
09-09-2009, 04:43 PM
for $1100 i would purchase yota axles, a diesel engine, and a new winch. thanks though... that body looks good though! wouldnt be a horrible price on a zuk if it had a title.

You must be good a finding bargains if your going to find all that for $1100.

kevin
09-09-2009, 05:19 PM
Or maybe try this (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=used&distance=100&address=20657&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=JEEP&model=WRANGLER&make2=&start_year=1981&end_year=2010&min_price=&max_price=5000&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&sort_type=priceDESC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=y&default_sort=priceDESC&awsp=false&systime=&sownerid=1328344&rdm=1252530944935&filterId=1252530944935) .............:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Jeepster
09-09-2009, 05:30 PM
Lets see.
$500 for running 85 Toyota from Dion Bay. No title.

$500 for the Diesel car.

That's only $100.00 for everything else. That not very realistic. more like $1000.00 everything else.

But That's just my thoughts.

Oh Yeah ROLL CAGE.